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		<title>By: brokenorange</title>
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		<dc:creator>brokenorange</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 16:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it would be great for Adobe to develop an authoring environment similar to flash but for the HTML5 / Java webspace. They already have several components in the current dreamweaver scheme. I think for many, it&#039;s all about workflow. I remember when Adobe introduced &quot;smart objects&quot; and everybody lost their freakin minds about how cool it was that you could nest objects in separate documents and update them all at once. It&#039;s only a matter of time before they build in these capabilities to their authoring environments. I&#039;m already seeing photoshop and illustrator starting to merge. Before long, we&#039;ll have a whole new set of merged tool names (Phillistrator™, FlashWeaver™, PremierEffects™)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Adobe, like Apple, is a smart and innovative company that has seen technology rise and fall. They have created several innovative products. Some have worked and worked for years (photoshop, illustrator). And some...not so much (remember Atmosphere 3D? GoLive? LiveMotion?) Same with Apple (G4 Cube?). I think in many ways, their current product model works well, and they will continue developing modular technologies based on consumer demand.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;A few years ago, we had no idea what technologies would be brought to run in Flash, and I don&#039;t think Adobe did either. It&#039;s incredible to see what people end up doing with the tools you give them. As in this post, look at the App Store. Apple had no idea what people would make the iPhone do. Now, they have had to shift their model a bit to fit the market. Apple is trying to create the best possible customer experience for their products...and I guess Flash has some bugs that make it more unstable on these devices. Overall, I do not agree with Apple&#039;s attempt at &quot;policing&quot; content...since in the interim we DON&#039;T have these better authoring environments, but the internet monster continues to churn, and Adobe is already planning its next move. Could be something even more incredible than we imagine (Dreamweaver supports HTML6! AND, everytime you successfully complete a project, the software calls your mom, gives her the ingredients to the most fantastic cupcake ever, and she bakes it for you. Come to think of it, I think a baked good project model is better for everyone.)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Actually, strike all that. Google is going to become self-aware in about a year anyway...then, none of this will matter because we&#039;ll just be building what google wants to see....or are we doing that already?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it would be great for Adobe to develop an authoring environment similar to flash but for the HTML5 / Java webspace. They already have several components in the current dreamweaver scheme. I think for many, it&#39;s all about workflow. I remember when Adobe introduced &#8220;smart objects&#8221; and everybody lost their freakin minds about how cool it was that you could nest objects in separate documents and update them all at once. It&#39;s only a matter of time before they build in these capabilities to their authoring environments. I&#39;m already seeing photoshop and illustrator starting to merge. Before long, we&#39;ll have a whole new set of merged tool names (Phillistrator™, FlashWeaver™, PremierEffects™)</p>
<p>Adobe, like Apple, is a smart and innovative company that has seen technology rise and fall. They have created several innovative products. Some have worked and worked for years (photoshop, illustrator). And some&#8230;not so much (remember Atmosphere 3D? GoLive? LiveMotion?) Same with Apple (G4 Cube?). I think in many ways, their current product model works well, and they will continue developing modular technologies based on consumer demand.</p>
<p>A few years ago, we had no idea what technologies would be brought to run in Flash, and I don&#39;t think Adobe did either. It&#39;s incredible to see what people end up doing with the tools you give them. As in this post, look at the App Store. Apple had no idea what people would make the iPhone do. Now, they have had to shift their model a bit to fit the market. Apple is trying to create the best possible customer experience for their products&#8230;and I guess Flash has some bugs that make it more unstable on these devices. Overall, I do not agree with Apple&#39;s attempt at &#8220;policing&#8221; content&#8230;since in the interim we DON&#39;T have these better authoring environments, but the internet monster continues to churn, and Adobe is already planning its next move. Could be something even more incredible than we imagine (Dreamweaver supports HTML6! AND, everytime you successfully complete a project, the software calls your mom, gives her the ingredients to the most fantastic cupcake ever, and she bakes it for you. Come to think of it, I think a baked good project model is better for everyone.)</p>
<p>Actually, strike all that. Google is going to become self-aware in about a year anyway&#8230;then, none of this will matter because we&#39;ll just be building what google wants to see&#8230;.or are we doing that already?</p>
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		<title>By: Flash está en aprietos &#124; El Blog de William</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flash está en aprietos &#124; El Blog de William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 12:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] más radicales se fueron por la nota de fácil difusión. Adobe para salvar Flash lo tiene que matar decía Steven Wei. La gran validez de su argumento radica en que hablamos de un desarrollador [...]</description>
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		<dc:creator>Devo usar Adobe Flex para desenvolver &#124; greycoast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 20:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Twitter Weekly Updates for 2010-02-07 &#124; Cavalcade Games Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Twitter Weekly Updates for 2010-02-07 &#124; Cavalcade Games Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 09:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] next. so its close (at last!) in reply to weheartgames #The best way to save Flash is to kill it. http://www.stevenwei.com/2010/01/31/the-best-way-for-adobe-to-save-flash-is-by-killing-it/ #We have to release an iphone game before the 28th to get an awesome freebie from Adobe. #What if [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] next. so its close (at last!) in reply to weheartgames #The best way to save Flash is to kill it. <a href="http://www.stevenwei.com/2010/01/31/the-best-way-for-adobe-to-save-flash-is-by-killing-it/" rel="nofollow">http://www.stevenwei.com/2010/01/31/the-best-way-for-adobe-to-save-flash-is-by-killing-it/</a> #We have to release an iphone game before the 28th to get an awesome freebie from Adobe. #What if [...]</p>
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		<title>By: HTML5 is not about the death of Flash, but the return of browser innovation - Uncompiled Thoughts</title>
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		<dc:creator>HTML5 is not about the death of Flash, but the return of browser innovation - Uncompiled Thoughts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 00:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] about the death of Flash, but the return of browser innovation  Feb.06, 2010 in Uncategorized  My previous post on the Flash controversy brought up some interesting comments that I thought warranted further [...]</description>
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		<title>By: TMA WebSolutions Blog! &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Flash está en aprietos</title>
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		<dc:creator>TMA WebSolutions Blog! &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Flash está en aprietos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 03:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] más radicales se fueron por la nota de fácil difusión. Adobe para salvar Flash lo tiene que matar decía Steven Wei. La gran validez de su argumento radica en que hablamos de un desarrollador [...]</description>
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		<title>By: pixelhound</title>
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		<dc:creator>pixelhound</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 20:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said. Have you emailed this article directly to Adobe? I suspect they are already thinking in these terms already - but maybe providing options for HTML5 and JavaFX, etc in the robust platform they&#039;ve already created. Please be aggressive, and get this in front of them. It&#039;s necessary. Thanks again. Bravo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said. Have you emailed this article directly to Adobe? I suspect they are already thinking in these terms already &#8211; but maybe providing options for HTML5 and JavaFX, etc in the robust platform they&#39;ve already created. Please be aggressive, and get this in front of them. It&#39;s necessary. Thanks again. Bravo.</p>
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		<title>By: Christine Meranda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christine Meranda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 17:32:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your reactionary prattle (we&#039;re all cretins and bigots who think Flash isn&#039;t perfect, eh?) doesn&#039;t seem to require a lengthy response, but having done Flash development for 5+ years and having developed kiosk applications while working for the author of this post, I&#039;d just like to mention this: &lt;a href=&quot;http://userprimary.net/user/2009/02/11/flash-flex-3-stymied-by-three-digit-http-status-codes/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://userprimary.net/user/2009/02/11/flash-fl...&lt;/a&gt;. While you are coming up with new racism-oriented insults, we&#039;re trying to find solutions. When any developer who politely requests that Adobe adhere to some semblance of the standards currently in place on the web to avoid making our jobs hellish is thought to be &quot;burning books&quot;, then we&#039;ve entered the realm of the nonsensical. There are issues with the Linux Flash player that cannot be chalked up to developer error: Google it.Trust me, Steve knows what he is talking about. He&#039;s incredibly well researched and fair-minded, and the number of years he&#039;s worked in Flash probably exceeds the number of rational arguments you&#039;ve made in a lifetime. Apple is not denying Adobe freedom of choice. They&#039;re just denying them the right to drain away battery life and CPU with work better done by a GPU.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your reactionary prattle (we&#39;re all cretins and bigots who think Flash isn&#39;t perfect, eh?) doesn&#39;t seem to require a lengthy response, but having done Flash development for 5+ years and having developed kiosk applications while working for the author of this post, I&#39;d just like to mention this: <a href="http://userprimary.net/user/2009/02/11/flash-flex-3-stymied-by-three-digit-http-status-codes/" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://userprimary.net/user/2009/02/11/flash-fl.." rel="nofollow">http://userprimary.net/user/2009/02/11/flash-fl..</a>.. While you are coming up with new racism-oriented insults, we&#39;re trying to find solutions. When any developer who politely requests that Adobe adhere to some semblance of the standards currently in place on the web to avoid making our jobs hellish is thought to be &#8220;burning books&#8221;, then we&#39;ve entered the realm of the nonsensical. There are issues with the Linux Flash player that cannot be chalked up to developer error: Google it.Trust me, Steve knows what he is talking about. He&#39;s incredibly well researched and fair-minded, and the number of years he&#39;s worked in Flash probably exceeds the number of rational arguments you&#39;ve made in a lifetime. Apple is not denying Adobe freedom of choice. They&#39;re just denying them the right to drain away battery life and CPU with work better done by a GPU.</p>
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		<title>By: Flash está en aprietos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flash está en aprietos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 16:38:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] más radicales se fueron por la nota de fácil difusión. Adobe para salvar Flash lo tiene que matar decía Steven Wei. La gran validez de su argumento radica en que hablamos de un desarrollador [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mike D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 16:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, have flash output to SVG etc, but why should they not also output to swf?  Bigotry, plain and simple. Some people have a distasteful desire to restrict the web to their own narrow minded vision and want to exclude -choice- and destroy -freedom- for developers to do whatever they want. Whether they are right or wrong to deploy java, or silverlight  or flash is neither here nor there - they should be able to make that choice for themselves unhindered by religious crusaders and uneducated lynch mobs.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Can html5 do any of e.g &lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.splashup.com/splashup/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.splashup.com/splashup/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://aviary.com/tools&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://aviary.com/tools&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.soundation.com/studio&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.soundation.com/studio&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Anybody that says Flash is obsolete has proven beyond any shadow of a doubt that they are a cretin. It does, and will continue to provide, advanced functionality that otherwise would be unavilable on the web. Sure, there are lowball, small minded developers who can&#039;t see beyond their cosy and safe little world of html, as there are ignorant blog opinionists that will continue to spread FUD as fact, and haul down the free spirits and adventurers who look past the edges of their flat earth.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Here&#039;s a list of html5 &#039;features&#039; and how it equates to when flash implemented them (makes HTML5 seem to be &#039;obsolete&#039; before it ever gets ratified in however many years time)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Audio Playback - Flash 4 in 1999&lt;br&gt;Video Playback - Flash MX  in 2002&lt;br&gt;Canvas (2D Drawing) - Flash 1  in 1996&lt;br&gt;Offline Storage - Flash MX  in 2002&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You say that you have &#039;several years of Flash development&#039;, seems to me that if you&#039;re not aware of the stuff HTML5 cannot do that Flash can, then you&#039;re a bullshitter or beginner that is dubiously trying to qualify their opinion with the claim. I bet most of the bugs you claim were just down to this too.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So the truly talented and cutting edge innovators pushing the boundaries of what can be done on the web, are supposed to step back 10 years because design bigots are drunk on apple koolaid and think the glacial pace of web standards reform will solve everything. When HTML5 is ratified in another few years, flash will have moved even further ahead. Some will use it, some won&#039;t. But you want to deprive them of their vote.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Whatever happened to freedom of choice, letting developers pick and choose what ever technology they wanted to?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;People like yourself have become the brown shirts of the web, burning books, chanting hate, everybody must be conform to their narrow minded utilitarian web standards master race. Another blog bigot says burn the Flash witch!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, have flash output to SVG etc, but why should they not also output to swf?  Bigotry, plain and simple. Some people have a distasteful desire to restrict the web to their own narrow minded vision and want to exclude -choice- and destroy -freedom- for developers to do whatever they want. Whether they are right or wrong to deploy java, or silverlight  or flash is neither here nor there &#8211; they should be able to make that choice for themselves unhindered by religious crusaders and uneducated lynch mobs.</p>
<p>Can html5 do any of e.g <br /><a href="http://www.splashup.com/splashup/" rel="nofollow">http://www.splashup.com/splashup/</a><br /><a href="http://aviary.com/tools" rel="nofollow">http://aviary.com/tools</a><br /><a href="http://www.soundation.com/studio" rel="nofollow">http://www.soundation.com/studio</a></p>
<p>Anybody that says Flash is obsolete has proven beyond any shadow of a doubt that they are a cretin. It does, and will continue to provide, advanced functionality that otherwise would be unavilable on the web. Sure, there are lowball, small minded developers who can&#39;t see beyond their cosy and safe little world of html, as there are ignorant blog opinionists that will continue to spread FUD as fact, and haul down the free spirits and adventurers who look past the edges of their flat earth.</p>
<p>Here&#39;s a list of html5 &#39;features&#39; and how it equates to when flash implemented them (makes HTML5 seem to be &#39;obsolete&#39; before it ever gets ratified in however many years time)</p>
<p>Audio Playback &#8211; Flash 4 in 1999<br />Video Playback &#8211; Flash MX  in 2002<br />Canvas (2D Drawing) &#8211; Flash 1  in 1996<br />Offline Storage &#8211; Flash MX  in 2002</p>
<p>You say that you have &#39;several years of Flash development&#39;, seems to me that if you&#39;re not aware of the stuff HTML5 cannot do that Flash can, then you&#39;re a bullshitter or beginner that is dubiously trying to qualify their opinion with the claim. I bet most of the bugs you claim were just down to this too.</p>
<p>So the truly talented and cutting edge innovators pushing the boundaries of what can be done on the web, are supposed to step back 10 years because design bigots are drunk on apple koolaid and think the glacial pace of web standards reform will solve everything. When HTML5 is ratified in another few years, flash will have moved even further ahead. Some will use it, some won&#39;t. But you want to deprive them of their vote.</p>
<p>Whatever happened to freedom of choice, letting developers pick and choose what ever technology they wanted to?</p>
<p>People like yourself have become the brown shirts of the web, burning books, chanting hate, everybody must be conform to their narrow minded utilitarian web standards master race. Another blog bigot says burn the Flash witch!</p>
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